tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post6148438234705717202..comments2023-08-06T05:52:29.692-04:00Comments on Keep It Trill: Trolls, Haters, Anti-Abortion or Pro-Choice Fanatics, And ShameKit (Keep It Trill)http://www.blogger.com/profile/03027769872237001801noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-50758096152067262762009-12-09T09:30:58.219-05:002009-12-09T09:30:58.219-05:00Rippa, I clicked your "Click To Listen" ...Rippa, I clicked your "Click To Listen" link a few days and listened to it. I recommend to all my readers to check it out. Thank you.Kit (Keep It Trill)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03027769872237001801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-54468959668629668362009-12-06T10:45:50.219-05:002009-12-06T10:45:50.219-05:00This was a fuckin brilliant post! In your line of ...This was a fuckin brilliant post! In your line of work and being a geek like myself, have you encountered the term "non-normie"...? I came across it a few years ago listening to an interview with Jack Thomas on Air America, and it stuck with me.<br /><br />Well, these "activists" or extremists as you appropriately labeled them are for the most part non-normies. Many of them speak or come from a place within themselves of repressed or aggrieved anger and rage. Instead of being on the internet, they should be in a hater 12 step program.<br /><br /><a href="http://thesop.org/health/2007/12/02/judyth-piazza-chats-with-jack-thomas-a-recovering-and-developing-non-normie" rel="nofollow">CLICK TO LISTEN</a>RiPPahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876723972974044402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-79433162960249060122009-12-04T18:22:16.521-05:002009-12-04T18:22:16.521-05:00Devon, The anti-abortion fanatical "troll&quo...<b>Devon</b>, The anti-abortion fanatical "troll" who BTW, wrote me a total of five nasty comments for this post, isn't black; he's a white guy who I learned is also allegedly a racial segregationist. <br /><br />Now, the person owns the blog that fronts being black owned may or may not be. He or she has done everything to give the impression of being black, but if so, is one sick puppy. In fact, in a recent post they said they got a number of emails asking if they were black or white. Their answer: they weren't going to answer the question because "it didn't matter". <br /><br />Bullshit, and spoken like a white racist trying to hide or black self-hater trying to hide from his or her own color to avoid being tagged worse than an Uncle Tom. Too late for that, I had one reader email me and guess which site it is and is mad that his site is blogrolled on theirs to give them an air of credibility.<br /><br />To be honest, Devon, I'm not 100% sure you're talking about either of the above, and if you come back, I'd appreciate you clarifying. I doubt it but I'd like to be sure.<br /><br />A tiny part of me was wondering if you <i>might</i> be referring to me or some commenters as self-hating blacks. Like I said, I doubt it, but if so, that's a fair game comment and thought.<br /><br />The pro-choicer who won't say no to all women having access to reproductive rights, aka abortion, but feels regret and anger after they had one, is in a bit of a dilemma. While they might not do it again, they would not interfere with the lives of other women or men who feel this is their best option.<br /><br />It is truly a type of mental gymnastics involved in this. It leaves one holding two opposing values at the same time, and this can be stressful. In a moment, I'll explain why it's necessary from my point of view.<br /><br />There are [black] folks, especially frequent church goers or those who strictly follow the Bible who have no qualms about saying it's wrong, and I'm a little disappointed none of them have weighed in on this discussion. <br /><br />On one level, I agree with them, but for a larger social level, I don't, because:<br /><br />1) Not everyone is the kind of Christian who has been 100% in putting their behavior where their words are, or belongs to a like-minded religion, leading to speak of: <br /><br />2) Secularism. This is a secular society where there are sound reasons for the separation of Church and State. Were it not, blacks would still be slaves as done in the Old Testament, and women would living as 2nd class citizens like they did here not a century ago, and still do in parts of the world.<br /><br />This is what I meant about <i>mental gymnastics</i>, where developing and having one set of values, and also espousing another set of values for common good of larger society. For many women who have aborted only to regret it later, it does add fuel to the grieving process where there is nearly always a component of self-hate. <br /><br />For me, finding my way back to self-love has been a difficult journey, yet one where I was determined to not block the path of other women and men by becoming anti-abortion and who have different needs and situations from my own.Kit (Keep It Trill)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03027769872237001801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-66585690948991758722009-12-04T17:44:27.074-05:002009-12-04T17:44:27.074-05:00Rainebeaux, Thank you so much for coming back and ...<b>Rainebeaux</b>, Thank you so much for coming back and elaborating on this. I commend you for your courage in sharing your story in more detail, and I understand why you made that decision. Poverty plus a nightmarish relationship is pretty bad. Email me or leave a comment when your new blog starts.Kit (Keep It Trill)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03027769872237001801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-3692190521675767432009-12-04T16:44:44.077-05:002009-12-04T16:44:44.077-05:00Kit, you asked me: I'm wondering if the birth ...Kit, you asked me: <i>I'm wondering if the birth of your daughter helped you get over the grief of the earlier abortion, and how your husband took it when you had another one a few years after she was born?</i><br /><br />By the time my daughter was conceived, my mourning had already ended for Junior the First (who was by someone else). As for the abortion succeeding her, her dad (not my husband*) was indifferent at best and discouraged <b>any</b> hint of mourning. Not that it mattered; I was (and still am) too obsessed with staying employed and struggling with embracing motherhood in general.**<br /><br /><br /><br />*I'll put it like this: if I married my babydaddy, I'll most likely <b>break all Ten Commandments and commit four felonies at a minimum WITHIN THE FIRST 36 HOURS.</b> roughly translated, I'm too busy mourning the loss (or should I say <i>forfeiture</i>) of my childlessness. Now I'm concentrating on clawing my way out of poverty and breaking numerous generational curses.<br /><br /><br />Hope that made sense; I'll get into this very touchy/polarizing subject a little deeper when my blog materializes (just before or just after Christmas).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-53080692653721484162009-12-04T10:58:23.728-05:002009-12-04T10:58:23.728-05:00There are times when I feel so naive. Before read...There are times when I feel so naive. Before reading your post I never thought that there could be self-hating black people other there promoting the hate agenda. DamnDevonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00743563230762328030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-36354865935320812082009-12-03T18:37:10.115-05:002009-12-03T18:37:10.115-05:00Marianne, Of all the comments, one part of yours h...<b>Marianne</b>, Of all the comments, one part of yours hit me the hardest: <i>"I am referring to the pro-choice people who... don't let you mourn your loss."</i><br /><br />Oh how they can be some harsh judges. Nearly everywhere and families in particular, they push the girl or woman into having it, then so they don't feel guilty afterwards, don't want to see, hear, or talk about anything that relates to grieving. Their message, <i>keep your tears and pain to yourself</i> is loud and clear, and can cross the line into abusiveness.<br /><br />The person who is not allowed to grieve from either the pro-choicer or the pro-lifer is high risk for all kinds of problems.<br /><br />It's like, if you want to make someone sick with depression, anxiety, or other problems, don't let them mourn or cry, and act like a shithead when they do. Been through it and it delays or can prevent the healing process.<br /><br /><b>Ugly Black John</b>, I am amazed that you stepped forward and shared your story. I have a friend in your situation, who also took it lightly back in the 1970s when he was in his wild 20s.<br /><br />Abortion was packaged as merely a medical procedure to "get rid of a few cells", and he pushed one girlfriend after another to having a total of five abortions. Now he's in his late 50s and wishes he could have done things differently, at least with some of them.<br /><br />This underscores the need for people to learn and know all the short and long term possibilities of continuing a pregnancy or having an abortion, and to think through them carefully. Thank you John, for courageously sharing your story.Kit (Keep It Trill)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03027769872237001801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-35150969477932071962009-12-03T18:32:39.569-05:002009-12-03T18:32:39.569-05:00Carey, You said, "So I applaud your courage t...<b>Carey</b>, You said, <i>"So I applaud your courage to speak about your journey and your ability to understand that some people may view your "raising of the blinds" as some sort of attention whore-ish-ness.</i><br /><br />I was thinking about that post you wrote when I mentioned that in this post. It's amazingly easy to write about the problems of others, because there's an emotional distance and safety there. Digging through our own crap is much harder, and I think in the end, more genuine and valuable to others.<br /><br /><b>Dirty Red</b>, You said, <i>"After she told me that she was pregnant, I got deployed for 3 weeks to Belgium... When I got back... she'd had an abortion. I do not like abortion, but I also think that it is a woman's choice. But what happened to me was wrong ass wrong."</i><br /><br />I feel your pain and anger, Red. This is an unsolvable and common problem for men who want a pregnancy continue but the woman doesn't. I'm sorry for you that she didn't continue with it and let you adopt it, but if the idea occurred to her, I'm sure she had her reasons, which I hope were based more on shame of being an unwed mother (to a mixed race child in Germany?) or fear of being abandoned rather than it being inconvenient.<br /><br /><b>Soul</b>, I agree, trolls are annoying because they go way beyond wanting to disagree. They beat their point to death on your blog and flame and offend with impunity. I think a lot of them of them have OCD, and combined with racism, sexism or fanaticism, this makes them azzholes to deal with.<br /><br /><b>Big Mac In Pittsburgh</b>, I'm glad to know you love my blog. I doubt that I'll be 'great' in the household name sense for writers, but I thank you.<br /><br /><b>Mizrepresent</b>, You said, <i>"I never had an abortion, but i took a relative to have one, and it is a painful, emotional experience i will never forget."</i><br /><br />I can only imagine. Also, I looked for your new poem, "2 Minutes" the day you left your comment and again just now, but haven't found it.<br /><br /><b>Rainebeaux</b>, Thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts. I'm wondering if the birth of your daughter helped you get over the grief of the earlier abortion, and how your husband took it when you had another one a few years after she was born?<br /><br /><b>A.Smith</b>, You said, <i>"The reality is, we can outlaw it but people will still do it," and re: ProLifers, "they don't adopt, they don't support public programs to help struggling parents care for their kids, they don't sympathize with the plight of a single parent."</i><br /><br />I don't know why they don't have more empathy for the struggling single parents or support those programs either. Single mothers are more likely to be chained to poverty, so if they focused more on the already living than the unborn, that would reduce a lot of social problems including unplanned pregnancies and abortions.<br /><br /><b>Miss Lady Deborah</b>, Wow, your brother and family went through hell, not to mention his GF dying! A lot of teen girls and women suffered and died from abortions prior to them becoming legal in 1973. They will again if Roe vs. Wade is ever repealed. Thank you so much for sharing that story.Kit (Keep It Trill)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03027769872237001801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-64083126690873095182009-12-02T09:07:39.255-05:002009-12-02T09:07:39.255-05:00Hello Kit,
There was was a man in our church that...Hello Kit,<br /><br />There was was a man in our church that used to say... "Lord, if I only knew how to pray". He would say that with heartfelt conviction but my brother and I would laugh everytime he said it. Upon returning home, we would "do him" and fall to the floor with laughter.<br /><br />Today I am feeling that man because I can not find the correct words to express my feelings on this post. However, since the post had many themes, I've chosen a couple that hit home with me.<br /><br />re: Abortion. I have no opinion, pro or against.<br /><br />re: Haters & Trolls: I hate them, okay.<br /><br />re: This >>>...Kit: "Yet despite these abysmal numbers, I can't recall a single blogger or reader-commenter who ever told their story. Ya girl Kit has, though, and for a purpose beyond being an attention whore:<br /><br />Kit, the last part "for a purpose beyond being an attention whore" caught my eye. I you may know, I did a whole post on "blog attention whores".<br /><br />So I felt your need to include those words. Moreso, I undersatnd why you may have included them.<br /><br />Your blog could fall in the "personal" category. I consider my blog a very personal blog, in that, I write about my life -- the good, the bad, and the ugly. When I talk/write about the rewards I've received from owning my mistakes and moving forward, there always seems to be those that view my new mindset (self-discovery) as self-righteousness. <br /><br />So I applaud your courage to speak about your journey and your ability to understand that some people may view your "raising of the blinds" as some sort of attention whore-ish-ness. Yes, there are those that share their journey (good & bad) with the hopes that others may recieve the inspiration to share theirs. And thus, open a discussion to solve a few serious issues that seldom hit the floor. <br /><br />Yes Ms Kit, everyone that shares from the heart doesn't have to be a prick or an attention whore. <br /><br />Some are just secure enough to tell their stories. You my dear, seem to be one of them.CareyCareyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08832737883766894892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-65390453846504671782009-12-02T08:21:38.089-05:002009-12-02T08:21:38.089-05:00Kitt,
Let me tell you my abortion story.
While I...Kitt,<br /><br />Let me tell you my abortion story.<br /><br />While I was living in Germany I was dating a chick I was thinking about marrying. Well one day she tells me that she is pregnant. I am happy about this because I truly wanted to be with this girl and I wanted a son. Well, we lived about 2 hours from each other and we only saw each other on weekends. After she told me that she was pregnant, I got deployed for 3 weeks to Belgium. When I got back I had a letter waiting for me from her telling me that she had an abortion because she just was not ready for a child. Needless to say I have not talked to her since and she is still every degrading name I can call her. I do not like abortion, but I also think that it is a woman's choice. But what happened to me was wrong ass wrong.<br /><br />pps...<br /><br />I have posted a second installment on my other blog, just to let you know, Professor.... LOLDirty Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01508696230100618659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-76676590728796225042009-12-02T02:36:12.101-05:002009-12-02T02:36:12.101-05:00You know, I have to say I abhor the fact that peop...You know, I have to say I abhor the fact that people can line up and support the horrific killing of strangers yet turn around and be all abusive about a person deciding not to bring a child into the world.<br /><br />People seem so violently annoyed when you don;t want to live your life they way they do, or you don;t have the same opinions as them, or you won;t sit and let them abuse you without responding.<br /><br />Its kinda ridiculous, hilarious and evil all at the same time. <br />I wish these people would sort out their insecurities and find something peaceful to fight and live for.<br /><br />re; trolls<br />It's not soo much that trolls are smart in using propaganda, its more that we have become lazy and refuse to do research and we are attracted to 'one liners'.<br /><br />It's simply not good enough to link to a person based on a post or one agreement because your link is an endorsement of that particular blog and that point of view. I don't think people take that seriously enough.soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035447940907993185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-32824364269664040452009-12-01T17:28:22.084-05:002009-12-01T17:28:22.084-05:00Who am I to speak on a subject and life changing p...Who am I to speak on a subject and life changing procedure as abortion.<br />I have no ideal what the pain is like physically or emontionally.<br />But here is what I do know Kit, you write one hellva blog.<br />Don't let others who may disagree with you take you off of your path to greatness!BigmacInPittsburghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13727923795293367521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-4623494302866123182009-12-01T12:42:45.904-05:002009-12-01T12:42:45.904-05:00All i'm saying is you have every right to spea...All i'm saying is you have every right to speak your mind and tell your story. I don't know where the haters/trolls get off, but it definitely gives them some kind of mental orgasm, to blow hot breath on other peoples opinions, actions and lives. I never had an abortion, but i took a relative to have one, and it is a painful, emotional experience i will never forget. Kit, check out my poetry blog, i wrote a poem about it called 2 minutes.Mizrepresenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02992754393960138393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-30247719979167449072009-12-01T11:30:56.097-05:002009-12-01T11:30:56.097-05:00I've had two: the first in 2002, when I knew I...I've had two: the first in 2002, when I knew I wasn't ready. I even grieved for a while, wondering what junior (non gender-specific) would've looked like. The second was when my daughter (now four) was a year and change old. Her dad and I decided this was best; even if I didn't tell him, I still would've gotten it done (ironically, he told me in no uncertain terms that he would kill me if I aborted her. Timing be damned: fear and loathing have NO place in childbearing decisions.)<br /><br /><br />A. Smith, I'm with you about both factions, but the pro-lifers piss me off even more for the reasons you stated. Yes it's a heavy decision, and a painful procedure to boot. Abortion represents the ultimate in gray areas (at least to me); more people need to discuss every facet of same.<br /><br /><br />Oh, I paid for both <b>mydamnself</b>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-10891201342908507312009-12-01T09:13:23.392-05:002009-12-01T09:13:23.392-05:00Kit, I love your posts. Always.
It's pretty s...Kit, I love your posts. Always.<br /><br />It's pretty straightforward for me.<br /><br />Who am I to ever tell anyone else what type of life-changing decisions they can or cannot make? I'm pro-choice not because I believe we need to go around encouraging people to "kill their babies" (terminology crazy pro-lifers use to make abortion about one thing when it's really so much bigger than that) but because I think everyone ought to have the choice.<br /><br />The reality is, we can outlaw it but people will still do it. Give them the choice, fund organizations that educate women on their options, and sit back and STFU.<br /><br />It's funny to me. Pro-lifers tend to be conservative and we all know that a common conservative belief is that the gov't ought not be funding much of anything, let alone your daily needs. So these pro-lifers want you to keep your baby but don't want to help you take care of it and then want to lambast you for being a bad parent. GTFOH<br /><br />I can't with those people because they don't adopt, they don't support public programs to help struggling parents care for their kids, they don't sympathize with the plight of a single parent. They judge and THAT pisses me off.<br /><br />As for trolls... I've never understood it. Have your ignorant blogs, it's a free country, but keep that mess over there with you and yours. Don't bring it in my space.A.Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10542810587986768786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-12895848939015685812009-12-01T06:55:40.896-05:002009-12-01T06:55:40.896-05:00KIT,
I'm glad that you exposed some of the te...KIT,<br /><br />I'm glad that you exposed some of the techniques that are being used to forward negative messages about us. We need to remember that this is an open medium with all manners of folks who have access to it.<br /><br />There are people who will never understand the pro-choice stance. I am pro-choice and will remain that way due to an experience that my oldest sib had when we were teenagers. He had created a child with a girlfriend. They were just about to finish school. She opted to have an abortion done by a woman who provided services to the community. The end result was horrible. The girlfriend died. She bled to death. My brother had called other family members when he discovered that she was in distress. The end result-a member of my family was charged with being the one who performed the abortion. She was cleared of the charges-but the impact of that at home procedure made me realize that if abortions are going to happen-then they need to be done in a hospital. Not at home or by someone who doesn't have the knowledge or equipment to follow up in case of a real emergency.<br /><br />Ending a pregnancy is not a light weight decision. Anyone who says that it is probably doesn't have a true regard for life. The Right To Lifers piss me off because their stance only hovers around babies. Where in the hell are they when the children really need them? I have seen too many unwanted children during the course of my teaching career. It hurts to see the way that their lives and their parents lives are lived. <br /><br />Of course, I am also pro-being birth control responsible. This is the best way if you cannot abstain to prevent creating life.msladyDeborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17593695415626632490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-75643977844636503722009-12-01T04:18:10.537-05:002009-12-01T04:18:10.537-05:00Gotta love these people. If you have an abortion, ...Gotta love these people. If you have an abortion, the pro-lifers call you a murderer, and the pro-abortionists (I know there's no such term, but I am referring to the pro-choice people who make it sound like it's really no big deal)don't let you mourn your loss. No wonder many women bloggers refuse to talk about it, no one likes to be told what to feel.Mariannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13011710820549008685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6325219138869173743.post-69835508167140956542009-12-01T01:34:23.047-05:002009-12-01T01:34:23.047-05:00I used to be a ho and I've had five abortions....I used to be a ho and I've had five abortions.<br />I still think of them as me being responsible (or irresponsible) and I feel for every woman who chose to accommodate my wishes.<br />- I still remember every woman I walked past every wall of protesters.<br />- I still remember all of the iron rich lunches afterwards.<br />- I still remeber the breakups.<br />- I still find joy that they all found happiness and children without me.<br /><br />Now, when younger women ask my advice;<br />"You may regret keeping the baby,<br />but you'll regret killing it more.", is all I have to say.<br /><br />I wrote about this long ago and the details are too involved to write here.<br />But I think many people have a similar experience.uglyblackjohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14404995571276457138noreply@blogger.com